Brown, Raymond (1906-1991)with comments from an unknown friend |
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Worcester County Library: Local History and Genealogy Collection, Snow Hill Branch, Snow Hill, MD
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Interviewee: |
Raymond Brown (1906-1991) with comments from an unknown Friend |
| Interviewer: | Katherine Fisher |
| Date of interview: |
1978 December 5 |
| Length of interview: | 29 mins |
| Transcribed by: | Ruth Alcorn, Worcester County Library |
| Preferred Citation: |
“Name, Oral History Collection, Date of Interview, Worcester County Library, Snow Hill Branch, Snow Hill, Maryland.” |
Topical Terms:
Worcester County (Md.)—History
Worcester County (Md.)—Social life and customs
Location Terms:
Furnace Town (Md.)
Public Landing (Md.)
Interview Begin
INTERVIEWER: I'm trying to remember who told me about you and I keep getting people in here to say: "Oh, Mr. Brown knows something about the furnace. In the area around the furnace." Right now, I can't think for the life of me. I was trying to remember who it was that had told me. I think it was Fred Rutman. Did you know him?
RAYMOND: There was a man there.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah, maybe that's who it was.
RAYMOND: It was down there. We were going to just for relaxation. We rode and we rode down there and the old furnace.
INTERVIEWER: Right.
RAYMOND: And it, uh, there was a man and a woman there, and I don't know the man's name...
INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
RAYMOND: ...but uh, the woman, I don’t think, she said her husband was a Dreg and none of that.
INTERVIEWER: Alright. Well, that is Greg Rutman then. That is who told me. Good. Now you had been to the furnace when you were younger.
RAYMOND: I was ten years old.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. Which makes it 1916. Okay. I knew (I) was remembering something right. Now, when you were there, could you see any of the foundations at all? Or any timber or anything that had been there?
RAYMOND: Well, there was, uh-
INTERVIEWER: Not around ‘bout in the furnace, but in the woods.
RAYMOND: It had been cleaned out a lot since we were there.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: It was just...well you couldn't see anything.
INTERVIEWER: Right. The furnace was overgrown?
RAYMOND: There was a whole furnace shack, yeah, they was, it wa-, one time there was an old tree that was growing right on top of that.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, for goodness sake.
RAYMOND: Yeah.
FRIEND: I remember that.
RAYMOND: I think, is that a Pine tree?
INTERVIEWER: My! My, that-
RAYMOND: And this uh, this raft.
INTERVIEWER: Oh and- oh.
RAYMOND: They went up there with, uh, oar, and uh-
INTERVIEWER: Right. That was a lot more visible out there than when you went out there today.
RAYMOND: Yeah it was.
FRIEND: Oh, you didn't see none of that the other day.
INTERVIEWER: That's what I was wondering. Cus, we haven't, I mean, most of ours, records, don’t they show the ramp any other way than it is right now? But we presume it went up to the-
RAYMOND: It went a long way than the, the… than I can remember cos-
FRIEND: It was like a mule cart came off from what could see.
RAYMOND: It was like a mule cart up that ramp been dumped there, oh in there-
INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
RAYMOND: I suppose they backed the mule cart up that ramp and dumped their oar in there.
INTERVIEWER: Right.
RAYMOND: I've been told it was woods back over there.
INTERVIEWER: You know, we keep hearing that story. It must be true because a lot of the people we talked to tell it once like it went over and um, killed uh, some people say it killed a couple of the men that were involved as well as a mule. Ah, the ramp, could you, could you see whether it was wooden piling pulling it up or any brick structure around it?
RAYMOND: I think there was some sort of props or something like that.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: A hole.
INTERVIEWER: Alright.
RAYMOND: It was filled in with dirt.
INTERVIEWER: Right. I guess the dirt and the- everything had filled over it for so many years. Um, now could you walk down around the furnace itself?
RAYMOND: Yeah-
INTERVIEWER: In 1916.
FRIEND: Not clear around you couldn’t.
INTERVIEWER: It was probably too much wood and trees.
FRIEND: Now you could only walk around the hut, you see, but you couldn’t go out where that ramp was.
INTERVIEWER: Oh ok, cus the ramp connected to it.
FRIEND: Oh no you could go around but you, as I said, I-
INTERVIEWER: Right but you couldn’t go around the side.
RAYMOND: And it’s cleaned out now better than it was.
FRIEND: Yeah. Now you can walk all the way around it.
INTERVIEWER: Right, and hopefully were, what we're trying to do now is to get enough information about this ramp which they now call the charging bridge, but I call it a ramp. Um, to have state funds that are available now for reconstructing the ramp. So hopefully we can find out the date. You know how the state is, they have to know so much information before they can let you try to find our more information. We are trying to find out some things about, you know, how it was constructed, what it looked like. Um you know the top of the furnace, where the pipes are visible up there now… did the ramp go up to that level where the pipes were or below that? There's another level. There’s a furnace and then there’s a level and there's that pipe level there.
RAYMOND: Best I can remember it went right up, flush, to the top of the furnace.
INTERVIEWER: Alright, cos the pipes on the other side, where that ramp would have come up.
RAYMOND: It had been, and down by that back door, it had to be that way.
INTERVIEWER: Flush okay.
RAYMOND: Flush with the top of the furnace. Otherwise they couldn't have backed over it.
INTERVIEWER: Um, could you see any, uhm, in the woods over there, you know where trailer is now over there? Could you see any remains of the, um, house over in that area? Did you notice that?
(*Note: all three talk at once. Indecipherable.)
RAYMOND: I can remember when I was ten years old. The best I could remember, we could see the remains of the old hotel.
INTERVIEWER: Alright.
RAYMOND: What's called hotel. Where the old uh, 14-room house was still standing.
INTERVIEWER: Alright. It was still standing.
RAYMOND: It was still standing at that time.
INTERVIEWER: Alright.
RAYMOND: Nobody lived there cus it was uh… but it was still standing.
INTERVIEWER: Now, right. Ok so there were, there was a 14-room house. Then there was a hotel that you saw the ruins of. Or they-
RAYMOND: Yeah.
INTERVIEWER: -weren't the same things. Now you got thing, right? Or they were the same thing? Two different things, right?
RAYMOND: Yeah. Yeah. Separate.
INTERVIEWER: Ok. Separate things. Now the hotel that you saw the ruins of, let me show you a map. This is one thing that, we've got that hotel located at so many places out there. (Laughs) That we keep trying to see where it would be. Okay, I'll show you this, here, I'll make it brighter over here so you can see too. Alright now, this is Furnace Road that you come in from Snow Hill. Alright this is the first little bridge that you cross over… second little bridge.
RAYMOND: Uh-huh.
INTERVIEWER: And this is that little caddy corner road from the same here by the furnace and here's the furnace itself. This is where the trailer is, right now.
RAYMOND: Yeah.
INTERVIEWER: Okay, now. The Mansion House that still stand in this area located right back… back in here. Alright, now. According to this, where would you say that the ruins of the hotel would be, what general area?
RAYMOND: Uuhh.
FRIEND: Even from this way, you say?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah. You came in this way from Snow Hill. I'm sure. And then-
RAYMOND: What uh, what uh, is this?
INTERVIEWER: This is the first stack put down here.
RAYMOND: And what is this?
INTERVIEWER: Oh, those are s-
RAYMOND: Or is that the ramps?
INTERVIEWER: No. These lines, this is the map that you use by sight elevation. So those lines. Pretend they're not there. So they don't do anything. The ramp would be right here connected to the furnace. Right here. Here's that road. It runs in front of the trailer. And the park probably right up in here from up over to the furnace. But when you went back there in 1916 this road might've not been here. This is that old Millville Road, that dirt road that runs behind the woods to the furnace. If you go out here, you go out to Fence Hill Warren House cos, I mean, that funny looking place out there?
RAYMOND: Yeah I know.
INTERVIEWER: Well, that's your direction.
FRIEND: Well I never saw-
RAYMOND: This uh, hotel, I think was in here.
INTERVIEWER: Okay, in that area too. Okay. We've had it located over here off from the road back along here, along Millville Road is Oldmer's Place.
RAYMOND: Now that, that, that 14-room house seems to me was on the other side of what you call Millville Road.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: And Warren's-
INTERVIEWER: Warren Place is up here. This is the Warren Place up here. And this is the Millville Road, it crosses right behind it at Furnace. Warren's would be here.
RAYMOND: Yeah.
INTERVIEWER: And then...the Millville Road as you can see is still a dirt road. Which then cuts off here. Which is probably in-
RAYMOND: Best I could remember, it was over in here, somewhere.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. That was one that's has been located, all we have to do is find it. They found The Mansion House here...and they found the general store here. You know they found the bricks and everything for the outline of it. So some of those things had been found. Now there-
RAYMOND: Ah-huh.
INTERVIEWER: -were also supposed to be two mills, you know, these two little ponds that you go over the bridges.
RAYMOND: Yeah.
INTERVIEWER: That were operating. That, now in 1900 they were still being run. There was a sawmill and grist mill. That were there. But we can't find any traces of those. But if they were still operating in 1900, you'd think there would've been some sort of structure. You know, along that road, but I-
RAYMOND: Well, there was a water ground mi- a grist mill.
INTERVIEWER: And a sawmill that was all up under grist mill.
RAYMOND: Look like it might be possible find one of those old stones.
INTERVIEWER: They had done some preliminary work on it, but at the place where we think the um, mill, the grist Miller have been. The ward, right under, where it goes under that bridge… it’s worn out. It’s nearly 20 feet deep. And we hadn't had anybody volunteered for 20 feet, in the Pocomoke River (laughs) to look for that stone, and I'm not gonna do it either. Cos that, you know, its swift flowing water right there and I don’t, guess I like the Pocomoke River either. (Indecipherable)
RAYMOND: Would you like to hear the story that I went past-?
INTERVIEWER: Yes. I would.
RAYMOND: Well, we lived on, uh, St. Luke's Road
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: About three miles from Fruitland and uh, it was big family. It was eight children and uh, two families got together and decided to go to Public Landing on Forrester's Day.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, I'm glad you're telling me this because this is something I hear about and had never heard about anybody that had went.
RAYMOND: Forrester's Day and I think it was on the first Thursday in August.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: And it was a great day, at that time, so, uh, our family and this other family that decided to go, well, had no way, only to drive horses.
INTERVIEWER: That's okay.
RAYMOND: Uh, we got up real early in the morning to go not too far past midnight.
INTERVIEWER: Oh my lord.
RAYMOND: And took these horses, uh, my father had a pair of horses to a derby (indecipherable) you know right, it's a small wagon?
INTERVIEWER: Uh-huh. Okay.
FRIEND: Its longer but it's a wagon.
RAYMOND: We started and we went down. It was old sandy roads. Had to go slow. We went down to the country. We got to the old farm then stopped.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: And um, probably let the horses rest a little while. While we looked around. Then even on down through Snow Hill. And I went on down to Public Landing. And once we got there it was about 9 o'clock.
FRIEND: Made pretty good time-
INTERVIEWER: Yes, you did. With those horses. Um, do you know where the horses were watered when they were at the um-
FRIEND: Old Furnace.
INTERVIEWER: Old Furnace?
RAYMOND: I don’t think so, we had no way...
INTERVIEWER: I had two people, they remembered springs being there.
RAYMOND: Oh uh um, they had watered them when they got down to Public Landing.
INTERVIEWER: Now-
RAYMOND: But um-
INTERVIEWER: Tell me about Forester's Day. Why was it called Forester's Day? Do you know?
RAYMOND: I don’t know. That was just the name that they give it.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, okay.
RAYMOND: Uuhh, people come from-
FRIEND: Just to be gathered in May.
RAYMOND: -a lot of different states.
INTERVIEWER: Oh really?
RAYMOND: Cos, of course, what few cars there were that day...
INTERVIEWER: Right, there weren't that many.
RAYMOND: You could see cars from a lot of different states. People, I guess, at some time lived in that-
INTERVIEWER: Alright. Sort of like a homecoming sort of thing.
RAYMOND: Yeah, yeah.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, oh.
RAYMOND: And that was a big day that. Course, uh, vehicles and all that lined up and cars and uh, (stutters) it was just big day.
INTERVIEWER: Alright now-
RAYMOND: And where we stayed it was the most 4 o'clock in the afternoon. Then we had to start home. That same trip back and it was, it was way past midnight when we got home.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah. My...now down at Public Landing at that time, the movie theater was there and the amusement and things, were, they built that time?
RAYMOND: Uuuhh, no.
INTERVIEWER: I don’t know exactly when the---
RAYMOND: No there was uh the pier running there in the water.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: And there was a, there by the end of the pier where folks come by-
INTERVIEWER: Uh-huh.
RAYMOND: There was a big-
INTERVIEWER: Pavilion.
RAYMOND: Yeah. Where, where you could sit and eat lunch and all that stuff, if you want. That same time, best I can remember, there was nothing sold there to eat.
INTERVIEWER: Alright, they brought.
RAYMOND: They carried their lunch.
INTERVIEWER: Did you go swimming?
RAYMOND: ...
INTERVIEWER: Did you go swimming?
RAYMOND: Oh yeah.
INTERVIEWER: You did? Okay.
RAYMOND: Yeah, yeah, we went swimming.
INTERVIEWER: Well, that must've been a treat!
RAYMOND: Uh, and uh...
INTERVIEWER: Ah!
RAYMOND: ...crabbing and oystering.
INTERVIEWER: Oh! Okay.
RAYMOND: Clamming. There was a big place for that.
INTERVIEWER: Alright. Well that's good! Um, something came to my mind...alright now, when you were there in 1916, the, the big house at Public Landing, you know where um, I think Bill Beach lived there but um, Spence used to live there. It's a one, as you go down, it's right on your right. So, it was a big place. Was that a hotel at that time? Was there a hotel there?
RAYMOND: No, that was, uh, that was just uh, as far as we could tell, that was a (undecipherable).
INTERVIEWER: And at some time between 1900 and 1930, that was used a hotel for a few years and, yeah, I never, I picked that up in reading the other day. Ah, sometime between 1910 and 1930. Sometime for a few years in there, in between it being sold from one person to another, somebody bought it and used it for a hotel. I read that a couple weeks ago, and I'd never been there.
FRIEND: Woohh.
RAYMOND: I never heard of that.
INTERVIEWER: Well I didn't neither.
RAYMOND: But, uh, it was uh a deserted house when we were there.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. That's weird.
RAYMOND: Nobody living in it uh-
INTERVIEWER: Uh-huh. Well now when you went down for Forester's Day, did you take any trips over to the ocean? Over to the Assateague, or anything...did they boats running over there?
RAYMOND: No, no they uh...I've never heard of anybody going over there but um they went. They used to take people on a boat ride and they call it the 4-mile ride. Two mile there, two mile back.
INTERVIEWER: Aoh, just ride up the bay.
RAYMOND: Pleasure to ride on a boat.
INTERVIEWER: Oh that would have been fun! Mmmkay, oh another question. When you came through Snow Hill, uh, let me see...how did you get from the forest to Public Landing, let me ask ya that first. Um, you didn't go the way you go through Snow Hill now, over the bridge, or did you?
RAYMOND: Yeah, same way.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. The bridge was there.
RAYMOND: Over the bridge and turn right and turn left.
INTERVIEWER: Alright, just like you go today.
RAYMOND: Go down, turn right, just the same way you go down now, same route.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. Well, good. Well, you helped in that... at least we know that the charging group was still there in 1916. It was still standing. We had um, an archeologist down from Massachusetts who helped us some. And he took, they took a front-end loader on there and took away just handfuls of dirt at a time. I never have seen somebody operate a machine so delicately. It was just some boy from Willards, was operating it and he would just scrape away an inch at a time. And they found some of the brick porting teller back in you know, where it's cut off now.
RAYMOND: Noo-
INTERVIEWER: Found some of those. But um, the more we can find out, the better off we'll be. I'll show you this just because it's interesting. We had one lady who is, was, she died at 113. And she remembered what the General Store was like in Furnace Town and that was the front of, of it. And she could remember how it was laid out, inside with people living in the back. So that's gonna be a help even when we can get some reconstruction-
RAYMOND: Yeah.
INTERVIEWER: - for that. Now she could remember all of this perfectly, but she didn't know what day it was or where she was. But she had a memory for the old things.
RAYMOND: Well, I heard my father say it was a thriving place at one time.
INTERVIEWER: Yep! That's what a lot of people say!
RAYMOND: It was a small village.
INTERVIEWER: It was a town and um, it had several houses there. We haven't been able to find the records of the furnace people, you know. You know a business has to keep records and things like that. But they had not- we just hadn't been able to find them. And um, evidently once that furnace shut down, a few families stayed on because a traveling salesman used to stay at that hotel. We were talking about, you know, they would through that way because the road was still there. But. Everybody else just, I thought they disappeared into the forest, cos you could disappear into that forest and never come out, I think, sometime.
FRIEND: You know, I'm saying, they were still living. And then she went on that trip.
INTERVIEWER: Oh, did she? Really?
FRIEND: She was a 86-year old.
INTERVIEWER: Aww.
RAYMOND: Well, I have Grace Latfield.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. Um.
RAYMOND: She was my mother's sister. They went on that trip. They, the two families.
INTERVIEWER: That, that went...well if you're ever talking to her, if she ever remembers anything new...
RAYMOND: Well of course uh, -
FRIEND: She, her mind is real bright.
RAYMOND: She uh, dated what 86 or 87 now.
FRIEND: 86. She'll be 87 in January, I think.
RAYMOND: She knew more than I knew.
FRIEND: She would know really more than Raymond knows.
INTERVIEWER: She might be...how does she feel about talking to strange people?
FRIEND: She might meet people. She’s just as nice as can be.
INTERVIEWER: Sometimes older people are uneasy. You know if somebody were-
RAYMOND: She likes company.
INTERVIEWER: - were to call.
FRIEND: And I don’t know where she is right now, she’s with one of the children’s’ but I don’t which one.
INTERVIEWER: Well-
RAYMOND &FRIEND: She's got four children-
RAYMOND: -and she divides it up. She stays with one of a month, and another one-
FRIEND: She stays one of 'em a month, and maybe another one, another month, and like that.
RAYMOND: She don’t get around too good. She uses a Walker.
FRIEND: She's got a daughter that lives on South Division street in Salisbury and she's with them part of the time but I don’t know if she's with Ellen right now or not.
INTERVIEWER: Right.
FRIEND: I had a-
RAYMOND: Just where she is-
INTERVIEWER: (Chuckles) That's nice to be moving around that much.
FRIEND: The other day we ought to go see Aunt Grace.
INTERVIEWER: Aw.
FRIEND: But I said, we don’t even know-
FRIEND &INTERVIEWER: -where she is.
INTERVIEWER: (Laughs) It'd be nice to see her if you can find her!
RAYMOND: You'd like her if you ever see her and talk to her. You'd like her.
FRIEND: She's a real passionate person.
INTERVIEWER: Now I would enjoy talking to her because sometimes just chance remarks can be you know, the thing that we need to try to find out about things.
FRIEND: She bring- she could try to bring out some points that he can't.
INTERVIEWER: Mhm. She might able to. Um, maybe I'll- if, you should get in touch with her, if, if I leave you where you can reach me at the library, I'll leave you my address. Rather than me trying to find her, you know, perhaps if you could find her and ask her if she would mind.
FRIEND: I'm sure she wouldn't mind as far as I'm concerned. Like I said she likes to talk with anyone.
RAYMOND: Like I said, she, she enjoys talking to people.
INTERVIEWER: Well...I could...
FRIEND: I don't know nothing until after I married him.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
FRIEND: Yeah I married him and then it was after that, that we went down there, before I had any children.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: Uh, my father used to live, that before I was born, not too far from there.
INTERVIEWER: Oh he did?!
RAYMOND: And then that neighborhood back that way.
INTERVIEWER: Okay.
RAYMOND: Not too far from the Warrens's.
INTERVIEWER: Mm, alright.
RAYMOND: So, Warrens and Pusesys that they used to know real well and they used to go back there and talk to them.
INTERVIEWER: Alright I remember-
RAYMOND: And we used to take 'em back there.
INTERVIEWER: -um, that there were some Pusesy brothers back, some Pusesy brothers. There were three or four brothers that had did some saw. Did some sawmilling back in that area. One time-
RAYMOND: Yeah- (indecipherable).
FRIEND: We used to work sawmills quite a bit.
INTERVIEWER: There's another uh, man that lives back there. There's Aims Pennywater, kind of a politician. Then there's Milton Pennywater who’s his brother, who’s a nice old man. And um, he's was talking about that he used to live there all his life.
RAYMOND: I used to know a Charles Pennywater from Snow Hill.
INTERVIEWER: Yeah, he-
RAYMOND: Probably somebody of that-
INTERVIEWER: Probably somebody of that same group. That should be. RAYMOND: But anyway...
FRIEND: And the group probably be the Hellerman's next month, I imagine because the...
(indecipherable *all talk at once).
RAYMOND: Yeah, it was Harvey Pusesy?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah it was Harvey Pusesy who drove the first school bus in Worcester County, I think...I'm right. He's...Harvey can...
RAYMOND: I know him real well.
INTERVIEWER: He's about... well, he's older than you.
RAYMOND: Oh yeah.
INTERVIEWER: Right, much.
RAYMOND: Older than my father I imagine.
INTERVIEWER: He's that old?
RAYMOND: Oh yeah. He's an old man.
INTERVIEWER: I thought he was just sick. You know he isn't, I don’t think he's very well at this point.
RAYMOND: He's still living, ain't he?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah. I think he's still…I think he lives-
RAYMOND: Well, I-
INTERVIEWER: And now the Harvey Pusesy I'm thinking about lives on Martin Street in Snow Hill. He, the just moved there, they, they lived one place and then they moved there the past three or four years. But I, I didn't think he was much more than, oh...
RAYMOND: Well now, he didn’t-
INTERVIEWER: 70.
RAYMOND: He didn't live, at that time he didn't live very far from the Warren's place.
INTERVIEWER: Mmkay.
RAYMOND: Yeah, they had a farm back in there.
FRIEND: Maybe he had a son or somethin'.
INTERVIEWER: Might have.
FRIEND: Not in (indecipherable).
RAYMOND: I'm wondering if he's still living. I don’t know.
FRIEND: John, they was young when we got married.
RAYMOND: John'd Sunday work for community. Builders.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. No, I don’t remember. I have to ask.
RAYMOND: Marble, Marble Pusesy. That's Harvey Pusesy's son and uh, when you was saying the girl was starting school one time, I, come to think of that, that might be him. The one I was thinking of.
INTERVIEWER: Well, I got...we collect, I take photographs of old postcards and pictures of Worcester County to try to preserve them too. We had a photograph of Harvey Pusesy standing beside the first school bus and well, it reminded me of a long wagon with a motor.
FRIEND: You have to remember something like that.
INTERVIEWER: He bought it off, at, alright it's a Hardware, Gumby, part of it, okay. Which I think it was a hardware store at this point. And uh-
FRIEND: C&P now, it was called. They changed it, moved from that direction over-
INTERVIEWER: Okay, around Dumar.
FRIEND: Mhm.
RAYMOND: Before it was Gumby?
INTERVIEWER: Yeah. That's what it says.
RAYMOND: Well, what the scho-
INTERVIEWER: The school bus.
RAYMOND: The school bus.
INTERVIEWER: The school bus for Gumby.
FRIEND: You know, where they sold cars there on South Division?
RAYMOND: Was that- course they didn't have school buses at that time.
INTERVIEWER: Isn't it?
RAYMOND: Gunner used to sell cars-
INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
RAYMOND: -where the uh, First Shore Federal.
INTERVIEWER: Uh huh.
FRIEND: Gunner hadn't, it wasn't there, was it?
RAYMOND: No it was there, right there on that corner. They sold uh, but that was way before they were even selling school buses. They had uh, fords and Nash.
INTERVIEWER: (While R is talking) Or the opposite corner?
INTERVIEWER: Well now this didn't look like any other school bus I had seen. It looked more like a wagon with a cab on the front and motor. Maybe he just got some sort of a truck-
RAYMOND: Well, that could be it!
INTERVIEWER: -and rigged it up. Because it didn't look like a school bus, but that's what it was.
RAYMOND: Well, it was probably a Model T ford.
INTERVIEWER: It could've been, but it had a long, you know, body. Cus it were made in 8 or 10 children, that would ride in it. Which, he went out and would ride then.
RAYMOND: It could be.
INTERVIEWER: It could've been the same man!
RAYMOND: Well, I'll be uh, running his ol' Model T ford and Nash cars.
INTERVIEWER: My!
FRIEND: And we had a Nash cars.
INTERVIEWER: Yup! We had a Nash Metropolitan. A little teeny thing. It rusted apart finally. That's the only thing I can say about it, it finally died. Glad of it... well, good um, thank you and I really would like to get in touch with um, Layfield, Ms. Grace.
FRIEND: I call her Aunt Grace.
RAYMOND: I call her Aunt Grace-
FRIEND: When I got married, I always answered my Aunts' too.
INTERVIEWER: Right.
RAYMOND: Her husband's dead, he was uh, Lauddie Layfield.
INTERVIEWER: Okay. Now you say in January she might be staying.
FRIEND: I think, I've forgot is what January date her birthday is. But in January she usually-
Interview Ends